To Stop Or Not To Stop – The PCC’s Answer

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  1. Gordon Williamson says:

    Alan I’m not convinced by his reply and it has no basis in law that he has demonstrated so far. Many resent being stopped especially if the stop is justified. As for officers withholding their ID is it not clearly displayed (shoulder number) I remember when I joined the job that at first some of the stop did not produce results. After about 6 months to a year nearly all my stops produced results. It does not prove my early stops were not legal but it does show that with use your stop & search skills increase. Stop and search is an essential power (not a tool like a radio or pepper spray) and should not be used to gain political popularity. Have our political leaders and politicised Chief Officers become so shallow! If an officer is misusing his powers it is a supervision issue or perhaps due to cuts there are not enough supervisors or they are to busy to enforce discipline and training effectively. (It is of note that the best Police Training College in the UK has been sold off to developers and so training standards are thus deminished) My Duty Officer would “walk” beats with all his probationers as would the Section Sgt they could observe 1st hand and correct and advise accordingly! I wonder if our current Sgts & Inspectors have the time! If there is indeed such a problem with stop and search (which I doubt) the answer would be in supervision and not in unlawfully removing an essential police power. It is a fact that by the very nature of policing you will be unpopular with certain elements of society that you will come into contact with. If you don’t you are not doing your job. The Police will gain greater support and popularity by being out in sufficient numbers to do their job effectively. They lose support and popularity when they are not seen and are no longer able to do their job effectively. It seems the latter is the intention of some in their efforts to discredit the finest policing model in the world. Go anywhere in the world and ask they would gladly have what the UK Govt is dismantling! Sorry to go on a bit.

    • Alan says:

      Good morning Gordon, having attempted to read the whole 48 pages of his report it seems that most of his gripes are focused on person stopped not being offered a copy of the stop slip or told the officers’ names etc. he does not challenge the grounds and claim that those stopped should not have been.

      He seems quite proud of the fact that Stop/Search has reduced by 50% in the last year, a figure I would find alarming.

      The whole report just smacks of bandwagon and appeasement rather than addressing a real policing problem, and he clearly has a poor opinion of his officers’ professionalism.

  2. Gordon Williamson says:

    Alan from what you say I would also be alarmed a 50% reduction in stops on top of a reduction in police manpower hardly seems like an effective way to reduce or prevent crime and promote a feelings of well being in law abiding members of the public. At best it is cheap political practice’s or at worst a deliberate effort to reduce the effectiveness of the Police!

  3. Dave Mann says:

    Has the alleged Home Office figure of 26% of all stop and search having no basis in law actually been verified? We all know of the Home Secretary’s penchant for selective statistics.

    • retiredandangry says:

      As far as I know that is a HMIC stat and Mr Winsor’s (sorry, Sir Tom’s) record on research and statistics isn’t the best. I’ll have a look and see if I can reference it

  4. soontobegone says:

    If the 26% is based on what the persons searched said then as far as I’m
    concerned they can f off. How many scrotes like being searched. If it is based on video from BWC then that is very different and retraining is needed. I do know that form filling by some officers is not great so there may be an issue finding grounds on the form if the report does not show obvious grounds. Again retraining needed about filling forms. However l know when l was on the beat that the forms we had to use were very small and there was not much room for a decent report. I do not believe officers are Willy nilly abusing there powers.

    • Alan says:

      Neither do I, and I agree the forms we had in the Met were ridiculously small and almost impossible to write out a neat and legible one on the street

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