Policing Under Theresa May – Some Undeniable Truths

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  1. Once a cop says:

    Alan,

    Code A of PACE has been changed with the issue of a new document in 2014 and takes effect very soon in 2015:

    HMG says: The main changes in the revised Code implement the government’s commitment, as set out in the Consultation on Stop and Search to “Revise the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE) Code of Practice A to make clear what constitutes ‘reasonable grounds for suspicion’ – the legal basis upon which police officers carry out the vast majority of stops. The revised Code will also emphasise that where officers are not using their powers properly they will be subject to formal performance or disciplinary proceedings”.

    Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/circular-0212014-police-and-criminal-evidence-act-1984-pace-codes-of-practice-revision-to-code-a-stop-and-search

    There are some within policing who feel the changes to ‘reasonable suspicion’ will NOT now change how the power has been used – after extensive training, new recording practices (often electronic, not written), closer supervision and external oversight.

    Whether the general public make use of the criem data and now Stop & Search data available online on http://www.police.uk/ is unknown.

    The “proof will be in the pudding” and perhaps in six months time the sue of Stop & search will have dropped further.

    It is remarkable local to where I live the power is used LESS than once a month by each operational officer and whole swathes of the area rarely see the power used. In a nearby area, based on a council ward, there were around 150 crimes and 11 stops in a month.

    • Thank you for that, I was unaware of that I must confess. Stop/Search is used widely in London, but I honestly don’t think inappropriately. Policing London is much different to a more rural setting, but thank you for the update, I’m obliged

    • rdresearch says:

      There is no correlation – and never has been to crimes and stop and search. In fact, the opposite is true with crime figures showing that the most people ever arrested proportionally to those stop and searched was 10% and of them only 1% charged. So the fact that stop and search is not carried out as much bears no relation whatseover to your 150 crimes. Nice try. Won’t wash with those with any knowledge of policing or crime stats!

      • I feel privileged to be lectured by someone with more knowledge and experience of Policing and Crimestats than I have. My 30 years were obviously a total waste of time. Thank you and goodbye

  2. Once a cop says:

    Alan,

    Code A of PACE has been changed with the issue of a new document in 2014 and takes effect very soon in 2015:

    HMG says: The main changes in the revised Code implement the government’s commitment, as set out in the Consultation on Stop and Search to “Revise the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE) Code of Practice A to make clear what constitutes ‘reasonable grounds for suspicion’ – the legal basis upon which police officers carry out the vast majority of stops. The revised Code will also emphasise that where officers are not using their powers properly they will be subject to formal performance or disciplinary proceedings”.

    Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/circular-0212014-police-and-criminal-evidence-act-1984-pace-codes-of-practice-revision-to-code-a-stop-and-search

    There are some within policing who feel the changes to ‘reasonable suspicion’ will NOT now change how the power has been used – after extensive training, new recording practices (often electronic, not written), closer supervision and external oversight.

    Whether the general public make use of the criem data and now Stop & Search data available online on http://www.police.uk/ is unknown.

    The “proof will be in the pudding” and perhaps in six months time the sue of Stop & search will have dropped further.

    It is remarkable local to where I live the power is used LESS than once a month by each operational officer and whole swathes of the area rarely see the power used. In a nearby area, based on a council ward, there were around 150 crimes and 11 stops in a month.

    • Thank you for that, I was unaware of that I must confess. Stop/Search is used widely in London, but I honestly don’t think inappropriately. Policing London is much different to a more rural setting, but thank you for the update, I’m obliged

    • rdresearch says:

      There is no correlation – and never has been to crimes and stop and search. In fact, the opposite is true with crime figures showing that the most people ever arrested proportionally to those stop and searched was 10% and of them only 1% charged. So the fact that stop and search is not carried out as much bears no relation whatseover to your 150 crimes. Nice try. Won’t wash with those with any knowledge of policing or crime stats!

      • I feel privileged to be lectured by someone with more knowledge and experience of Policing and Crimestats than I have. My 30 years were obviously a total waste of time. Thank you and goodbye

  3. Eastlondonmet says:

    Stopped and searched a well known individual as I “had reasonable grounds to suspect!” Negative search a fee days later had a nice e-mail from a DS asking for a statement as my search puts him in the area near a burglary that they are forensically linked to! Destroying any concocted excuse they could provide! May would want me to do this as it results in more person put in an expensive prison and less burglaries!

  4. rdresearch says:

    The police always use the language of sheer hypocrisy when it comes to Stop and Search Powers. They don’t want the powers numerated (of course not! Too many blacks and Asians stopped) but they don’t want the powers taken away either, even though 90% of all Stop and Searches do not lead to Arrest. I for one want to see the Police stripped of nearly all powers – the power to harm; the power to taser; and the power to harrass people by Stop and Search. In September I went to a talk at my Uni: the Supt giving the talk on Stop and Search tried to argue that the reason his force had been told off for stopping and searching black people 7 times more than even the national average was due to two reasons (neither of which accepted racism); the 1st reason he gave was that his coppers were relunctant to complete the paperwork for white people; the 2nd reason he gave was that the majority of crime in his area was due to one black family. Neither excuse added up to the real fact that only in 0.01% of all stop and searches was anyone actually ever arrested. He then went on the rhetoric (a bit like you) the blah blah blah speak of how the police need these powers, how they do so much good etc etc… I argued against this, saying that I didn’t think those being stop and searched would agree. At this the Head of Department – middle class and white (of course) said ‘I don’t think you’ll find the people of this borough complaining about people being stopped on a Friday night if they think this will curb drugs in this area’ to which I replied ‘That’s the wrong response – the response should be: would you mind being stop and searched every single Friday night when you were on your way home’? He blushed and then shut up. Because lets be completely honest. He knew the police would never ever stop him, not only because he runs one of the major policing courses in this country but becuase the police are not going to stop white middle class suited males: they stop the stereotypes that form images in their brains – the ones who wear hoodies; the ones with black skin – or Asian skin but no those who don’t fit their image. I have never met a black or Asian person who has not at some point been stopped by the police – but I can guarantee, like my HOD, most white people cannot say they same. Go figure.

    • As I have said before, everyone is entitled to their view, and I am entitled not to agree with yours. Blacks and Asians are NOT the only ethnic groups to get Stopped and Searched, Whites DO get Stopped and Searched, and I will maintain the view that there are often good reasons why a particular Ethnic Group would be ‘targeted’, reasons which you will undoubtedly be unaware of as you weren’t privvy to the officers’ briefing. You clearly find it acceptable to condemn whilst not in possession of all the facts

  5. rdresearch says:

    The police always use the language of sheer hypocrisy when it comes to Stop and Search Powers. They don’t want the powers numerated (of course not! Too many blacks and Asians stopped) but they don’t want the powers taken away either, even though 90% of all Stop and Searches do not lead to Arrest. I for one want to see the Police stripped of nearly all powers – the power to harm; the power to taser; and the power to harrass people by Stop and Search. In September I went to a talk at my Uni: the Supt giving the talk on Stop and Search tried to argue that the reason his force had been told off for stopping and searching black people 7 times more than even the national average was due to two reasons (neither of which accepted racism); the 1st reason he gave was that his coppers were relunctant to complete the paperwork for white people; the 2nd reason he gave was that the majority of crime in his area was due to one black family. Neither excuse added up to the real fact that only in 0.01% of all stop and searches was anyone actually ever arrested. He then went on the rhetoric (a bit like you) the blah blah blah speak of how the police need these powers, how they do so much good etc etc… I argued against this, saying that I didn’t think those being stop and searched would agree. At this the Head of Department – middle class and white (of course) said ‘I don’t think you’ll find the people of this borough complaining about people being stopped on a Friday night if they think this will curb drugs in this area’ to which I replied ‘That’s the wrong response – the response should be: would you mind being stop and searched every single Friday night when you were on your way home’? He blushed and then shut up. Because lets be completely honest. He knew the police would never ever stop him, not only because he runs one of the major policing courses in this country but becuase the police are not going to stop white middle class suited males: they stop the stereotypes that form images in their brains – the ones who wear hoodies; the ones with black skin – or Asian skin but no those who don’t fit their image. I have never met a black or Asian person who has not at some point been stopped by the police – but I can guarantee, like my HOD, most white people cannot say they same. Go figure.

    • As I have said before, everyone is entitled to their view, and I am entitled not to agree with yours. Blacks and Asians are NOT the only ethnic groups to get Stopped and Searched, Whites DO get Stopped and Searched, and I will maintain the view that there are often good reasons why a particular Ethnic Group would be ‘targeted’, reasons which you will undoubtedly be unaware of as you weren’t privvy to the officers’ briefing. You clearly find it acceptable to condemn whilst not in possession of all the facts

  6. jaded48 says:

    My targets are called “expectations” and if not reached then punishment is threatened. I don’t always get my expectations each month and nothing has happened so far.Could it be because i’m an old sweat and don’t give a damn what will happen,or because my supervisors realise they cannot use discipline for not reaching these targets-whoops sorry expectations.!! Who knows?

  7. jaded48 says:

    My targets are called “expectations” and if not reached then punishment is threatened. I don’t always get my expectations each month and nothing has happened so far.Could it be because i’m an old sweat and don’t give a damn what will happen,or because my supervisors realise they cannot use discipline for not reaching these targets-whoops sorry expectations.!! Who knows?

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