#DegreeGate – Genuine Need Or Cynical Ploy?

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  1. Once a Cop says:

    How about some evidence for these proposals? Starting with how many of the NPCC had degrees before joining and gained one since?

    So for example the College’s Chief Exec, Alex Marshall has a Cambridge M.Sc. and the lady, Rachel Tuffin on the video (OK, not from NPCC) does not have anything. Oh yes Rob Beckley, Alex’s deputy has nowt.

    For Alex: http://www.college.police.uk/About/People/Senior-management/Pages/marshall.aspx and for Rachel: http://www.college.police.uk/About/People/Senior-management/Pages/Rachel-Tuffin.aspx

    Locally I know a local college’s vocational training course for the uniformed public sector, including the police, collapsed when the police stopped recruiting.

    Yesterday on Twitter it was noted one university-based policing degree course found that NONE of its graduates could get a post as a constable. University of Lancashire I think.

  2. Soontobegone says:

    As per my comment on the last post, this is purely to save money on training.

    The too white argument point has gone on for as long as l can remember. Why do BME not join up. I would like to know just how many do apply and pass and fail rates. The more that want to join up, the merrier in my opinion, but like every other applicant, only if they have the ability no watered down entry requirements. One size fits all. We want the best folk from all walks of life, degree or not. The police should reflect the public it serves.

    Now l see this weeek DC is having a go at Uni’s as not enough BME students are at Uni it seems. Is this a class thing?

    Is this why are there so little BME politicians ?

    l don’t know. There seems to be more accessing Uni these days so why not BME students?

    If that is the case, when the police do get degree entrants then we will have less BME than we do now.

    Like most of these MPs they play politics pandering to certain groups. How about campaigning for the best person for whatever job is on offer regardless of sexual orientation, race, colour, creed, religion or sex.

    If l have missed any particular group out l apologise.

    • 72joiner says:

      Having joined the Met in the early 70’s I was intrigued by finding that the most obvious minority in the job seemed to be Londoners. There were plenty of Scots, Liverpudlians, Geordies etc as well as many country boys,(there were virtually no girls). Londoners were conspicuous by their absence.
      Diversity happens naturally but slowly, I think women make up nearly 50% of patrol strengths in some areas now somewhat different from the one woman per team of 1976 that was my experience.
      For a cop of the 70s it would be rare to have A levels, yet when I left in 2002 I think over 50% of the street duty students on my borough had degrees.
      The education industry in the UK is a massive money spinner, it has a vested interest in making more occupations degree based, there seems very little evidence that it improves practical standards at all.

      • Alan says:

        I too joined the Met in 72 and wholeheartedly agree. Women Police were a bit of a special case in those days, but yes, the Met was made up of boys and girls from all over, of mixed abilities, and Londoners were as rare as rocking horse poo. Everybody got along together and it simply ‘worked’

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