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  1. Gordon Williamson says:

    Alan in short a degree doesn’t help anyone be a good Police officer.
    We’ve seen enough graduate entry Police officers for many years now to know that you get some good, some bad and some utter incompetent graduate who were incapable of being any sort of a police officer. The incompetent one if they join on graduate entry still made it to at least Inspector rank (some even higher) because that was the deal and if they didn’t it would be an admission that the scheme was flawed.
    The good one’s weren’t good because they had a degree, it was because they had the right character and instincts and those that made good leaders didn’t havea degree in leadership it was again part of their character.
    It wouldn’t have taken much to have adjusted our police training to have allowed us all to leave with a degree in Policing but as usual they destroy something that has stood the test of time and tried to reinvent the wheel!
    I think that all of the points you make are valid.
    But why go this route?
    The old saying about those that can do, and those that can’t teach but now those that teach will never have walked the dark streets, or faced violence and are unlikely to have felt a collar.
    (They will be in good company as many or senior elite won’t have that experience and Tom Windsor in his ridiculous uniform did earn earn that honour)
    What is behind all this is money.
    Someone will now profit from these degree courses it’s about to become a good earner.
    It sets an unpleasant example for policing in the future.
    Just like our PCC’s who accept funding from whoever is willing to grease their palms and who will call in that favour.
    Our training will be motivated by greed and making a profit and not public service.
    A very sad day!

    • retiredandangry says:

      I certainly agree that Police Training could easily be realigned to provide a degree at Confirmation if one has reached the required standard. I wouldn’t argue against that at all. That way it would leave the door open for anyone suitable to join and achieve a degree and not bar anyone who doesn’t already have one. The Degree Apprenticeship route might be the better option, but needs rethinking if the Job wants to get away from Winsor’s “blue collar worker” image. Additionally, as I’ve already said, NONE of these routes in will improve diversity one iota, and could possibly make it worse

  2. Gary says:

    What policing needs are a range of individuals that reflect society as a whole. Entry should itself reflect that not everyone starting a working life has a degree but they all have the option either before entering the workplace or afterwards in doing so. It seems to me that ‘doing the job’ requires a big dose of common sense and some life experience. It would make a lot of sense if probationer training was to adopt a must have knowledge and skills base that could be used as credits towards a policing degree IF the individual then decided that they wanted to pursue that. The oportunity to take additional modules in policing subjects and management skills following probation could then be added on as credits to a degree. During my career I met many officers with and without degrees and I can honestly say that having a degree is no indication of fitness for the role of a police officer.

    • retiredandangry says:

      I agree with just about everything you say. I have no objection to Graduates whatsoever, if it is felt appropriate that all officers should have degrees then reset training so that successful completion of initial training and Probation results in the award of a degree in Policing Skills or whatever they want to call it. No problem with that, the College get their wish that the Police Service looks more professional. However I have many objections to requiring a degree just to get through the doors. Many pitfalls that way.

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